Is this essential to out survival, in the hunter gatherer sense of the word? Ironically, though, the film uses the technique of subliminal messaging, first and most classically applied to advertising , to expose its viewers to images of Tyler and the anti-work, anti-consumerist manifesto he represents.
However, Tyler does eventually and not too subtly break out of this framework. One way in which he hacks the mainframe, as it were, is by splicing single frames of pornography into family films, much the way in which he himself is spliced into the film. Disney has claimed that the image is due to post-production tamper ing, apparently by some low level, renegade film handler.
And at the end of Fight Club, the same pornographic image that Tyler has spliced into a family film is spliced into this film. Not only that, but it is edit ed in a deliberately sloppy manner, so that the image is visible as an unfocused blur of color for two frames, then is in focus for two more frames, and then is out of focus for another single frame.
This technique gives the overall impression of a barely successful, certainly detectable, guerrilla edit. However, if Tyler edits pornography into family film s, and pornography is edited into this film, then is this film a family film? In fact, any film is a family film, in that any film, even one as incendiary as Fight Club, subjects an audience to a passive viewing experience.
Similarly, the ending sequence of Fight Club is tranquil, in its own way. And then, the ensuing pornographic image, a choppilly edited in jolt to the senses, disrupts this cinematographically beautiful tableau.
In the DVD version of the film, an onscreen text message appears before the main menu comes up. Every word you read of this useless fine print is another second off your life.
Don't you have other things to do? Is your life so empty that you honestly can't think of a better way to spend these moments? Or are you so impressed with authority that you give respect and credence to all those who claim it?
Do you read everything you're supposed to read? Do you think everything you're supposed to think? Buy what you're told you should want? Get out of your apartment. Meet a member of the opposite sex. Stop the excessive shopping and masturbation. Eventually, because of the "rest cures" used in her time, she goes completely insane, developing multiple personalities and dementia. Throughout the story, if one looks carefully, several events are told out of sequence, and certain other things match up that shouldn't, if the author is sane.
Most notably, the "smootch" along the wall, and the fact that she admits to biting off a piece her bed at one time, and later is surprised to find that it has been chewed. Drawing from this example, it is my belief that Jack probably wrote that poetry at some time before the setting of the movie. The reason the poetry is apparently new to him is that he doesn't know he wrote it, having written it in the Tyler Durden persona, in the stages of his breakdown before he could be both Jack and Tyler at the same time.
VegetarianJoe writes:. Okay, I can't write as much as everybody else, but I did want to say that I love this movie, and am very addicted to it. I even went out and bought Valerian root today When Marla and Tyler are screwing loudly, and Ed Norton's character stops, and Tyler comes over to say "wanna finish her off?
Its issues against consumerism, of dual personalities, and just everything are amazing. I'm glad to have found so many people who understand, love, and talk about Fight Club If you guys want to understand the movie you must first understand what Narcolepsy is. Briefly it is an intrusion of R. The main character in this film is narcoleptic and this explains everything. To explain some other questions raised you need to understand that because the main character is Narcoleptic and a Narcoleptic as well as dreaming when awake can also go into a state of what is medically refered to as 'automatic behavior'.
This is when a Narcoleptic appears to be awake but is actually in phase or two sleep. While in this state it is the subconsious that takes over so the Narcoleptic can carry out things which are routine or things which they have been wanting to do, without even knowing they are doing it or remembering they have done it.
KarinaKarina writes:. I have a theory on the penguin thing, since that was killing me for a week or so. The penguin says "slide" to "Jack".
Later on in the movie, right before the computer display blows up thanks to Project Mayhem, "Jack" says " The penguin part was when "Jack" was meditating in a tumor support group, "pre-Tyler". I think the penguin was a premonition of Tyler's beliefs I'm a total Fight Club fanatic :. Alot of differing opinions here. Hope you don't mind if I add mine. Insanity in itself is the distortion or complete regression from reality. As stated in so many comments previous to this, Tyler says he has been in the apartment for about a year.
By this time, Ed has advanced so far into his insanity that his real personality is far gone. He doesn't even know who he really is, therefore the identity is never given as he is telling the story, and by this time can't recall who he is.
I think the writer did very well at portraying this when he has Ed use so many false names at the support groups. It does not mention the name Jack once in the book. When he talks about the organs in first person he says Joe. He even shows his driver's license to Marla when he tells her he is not Tyler Durden where the heck do you get banks from and he does not say his name. Ed becomes Tyler when he falls asleep. That is why everyone thinks Ed is Tyler in the book.
The reason the people in the back of the car in the car scene aren't confused is because in the book the leader of a branch of project mayhem he refers to him as the mechanic is driving.
In heaven there is a guy from project mayhem who says "its all going to plan" and the plan is to destroy civilization. That is why Tyler says "Hunting deer in the ruins of The Rockefeller Center" in the bedroom scene after the car crash.
I hope this cleared some of the stuff up. This is just to let you know that there is a movie prop for sale from Fight Club that includes some sort of pay stub for Ed Norton's character. It lists his name as Jack Moore. In the book his name isn't Jack I'm more concerned about whether or not gasoline and orange juice concentrate really make napalm.
I've read almost all the posts here, and I'd like to clear a few things up, because I for one have seen the movie approximately 34 times. Yes, I counted. I know every line by heart, and I could probably write down the whole movie here if I had to. Anyways, here goes. Brad Pitts' characters name is Tyler Durden, I don't know where some of you got your spelling from, but thats his name.
Ed Nortons character is never really named in the movie, only called different things, such as Cornelius, Rupert, Travis, all of these are names he uses at the groups. And something else I think I heard was when Ed is in his office his boss comes in with some reports, and I think he maybe called him? For those of you who think that Ed has a brain tumor, thats the dumbest thing I've heard. He doesn't. Would someone with a tumor go around getting into fights? I think not.
Also, this speculation of Ed and Tyler being different people is also rediculous. How do you explain Marla calling him Tyler Durden at almost the end of the movie? Or people looking at him funny when he talks about Tyler or contradicts what Tyler said? Their the same person. Ed s' name isn't Jack, he reads those names off the book covers at the Paper Street house.
He also said " I am Jill's nipples" does this mean his name is Jill now? Well thats all I can think about for now, but People, please get your stories straight.
Thank you. Mike woz ere writes:. On rewinding the movie there are a shed load of ways that you can tell Tyler Durden is taking over The Narrators life. The most obvious one is in the office with his boss where he beats himself up and remarks "for some reason this reminded me of my first fight with Tyler" because he was beating himself up then too only he was imagining Tyler beating him up. There are many others and you can post them too if you like.
A scitsophrenic insomniac, who'd a thunk it! Yeagermeister writes:. There's so much speculation on this movie I might as well add a theory. First of all, I enjoy it simply as an ego-trip fantasy, which has little regard for semantics. But if you look at it from the author's point of view, it might be possible that he considers himself Tyler Durden, and the nameless confused "Jack" character is you.
Whenever the two are talking, it's usually Tyler lecturing to Jack, in a sense narrating the direction of the story. The Tyler Durden character is a bully, being friendly just long enough to goad another fight out of Jack. A bully can't have any fun with you if you know well enough to avoid him. The Ed Norton character is intentionally left without identification by the author, allowing the viewer to associate with him more easily the constant use of internal monologue doesn't hurt either.
Obviously the author has something in common with Tyler, or the movie would have been laughable. If you consider yourself Jack, Tyler talks down to you, insults you, beats you, burns you, has sex with your girlfriend, forces you to beat yourself why are you hitting yourself? You're getting picked on merely by watching. At the end you're asked to put yourself in his shoes in the hopes that you'll learn from the experience. Just a theory it's a cool movie in any case.
Michael Allen writes:. They tossed in a lot of clues, including an incredibly obvious one dropped in the DVD's running commentary. There's too many details to print here, but you can find them at www. If you visit the site known as the Synching Ship , please write something in the guestbook, won't you? Alright, the only thing I want to clear up is the idea that the narrator's name is Rupert.
I'm not saying definitively that that's NOT his name, we just don't know. The only evidence I've found that says his name is Rupert is that the close captioning calls him that. But who writes the captions? Not the author of the book wonderful book by the way , who I believe has the final say, as he invented the character. Not the director of the film either.
They are not the real answer. Just something to think about. OK, most of you guys are saying that Edward Norton's character isn't Jack. I could be wrong but I'm almost positive that's what his name is. If you go to the official web site for the movie it says his name is Jack. So if I'm wrong sorry i just wanted to try and help clear some stuff up. The possiblilty of there being a brain tumor is eliminated at the very beginnings of the movie. The narrator goes and gets his brain checked out by a doctor because of his problems with insomnia.
The doctor verifies that there's nothing physically wrong with Norton- the writer's way of telling us that anything unusual that happens is purely psychological, not affected by a detectable physical disorder that might be inferred otherwise.
Notes from the book: In the book its strongly suggested that the narrator does have a life threatening disease. This is not directly the cause of his duality or anything though but it means that he knows his days are numbered and thus could be the cause of his irrationality The narrators true name is not revealed. What does it matter?
Who knows what the name of the other guy in Withnail and I is? The whole point is that there is an identity crisis here.
Not telling the viewer the name of the hero gets this point across. The books ending is alot different to the film. In the book he shoots himself but doesn't die. He thinks that he has killed tyler and that they are both in heaven but you can work out they're actually in padded cell all white and soft like clouds!
Because the mainstream american boxoffice doesn't understand the idea of anything appart from a happy ending the end is changed for the film. Tyler closes his eyes before the shot and in thinking he dies, does. Its a complicated idea that two characters inhabitting the same brain could fool each other and maybe the gunshot is more symbolic of Ed Norton 'reaching the bottom' even more and regaining control of his conciousness. People who say "Ed" had a tumour are off thier heads, just not happening, he got the all-clear from the doctor at the start remember!
As for his name? In my opinion it must have been Tyler Duerden unless he made his work print this name on his plane tickets!! Im intrested in getting a copy of the origional book, does this come under the name "Fight Club" or was it called something else, If it is called "Fight Club" would it have images from the film on the cover as this is the only one iv'e seen ,grateful for anyone's help.
Guys listen, its only a film. Think of what it means to you as an individual You think its important? SemiCharmedGoo writes:. I only have one thing to say: On the back of the cover of the movie it is written : Norton stars as Jack, a chronic insomniac This supports his use of I am Jacks complete lack of surprise Just a thought : SemiCharmedGoo.
When he says hes died it is then followed by Liar and Faker. People bring him lunch trays. He is just in the hospital. Norton's name is Jack he says that in the commentary on the DVD! I've seen it 34 times and can repeat the whole movie well you missed this one.
Wheredid you people hear the name Banks or whatevr else you call him? The name is Tyler Durden!!! Now acually on the subject this egg is dumb!! Some find I must say. Tyler didn't think it was time to give and appeared to Jack. The whole first part of te mvie is backround of Jack's fake life. He doesn't know whats real untill he starts fight club and is hit in the face. Thats real and thats why he says we all started seeing things different. He no longer whines about his DKNY shoes and his respectible funiture cus because that wasn't living.
It was what other people wanted him to be. But when he finds out that he is Tyler and the whole thing wasn't real he gives it up because it was how tyler wanted him to be. Hey he had a plan, in tyler we trusted.
Need more insight? I'll be back next Saturday. I love Fight Club. If you are reading this you probably do to. But why? Why is this the greatest movie we've ever seen? You people above me all talked about the flashes of Tyler in the begining of the movie. And Tyler himself talked about spicing porn into family films. What if the movie makers put something else into this movie. Subliminal messages. Subliminal messages that said "This is the best movie you've ever seen" or "See this movie again and again and again".
I truly belive this is true. Please email me if you agree. Now exuse me while I watch it again. LinedAngel writes:. There is no tumor. Shooting himself in the cheek is how he gets rid of Tyler Durden. Tyler has taken over his life so completely, that its the only way "Jack" can get rid of him. Earlier in the book and movie, when "Jack" figures it out, "Jack" trys to get rid of Tyler mentally, and it doesn't work.
I noticed this since the first time I watched the movie, I'm the kind of person that thinks deeply about every line, so that's how I noticed it : The first time I saw it, I thought it was a slip up because I didn't know that Jack and Tyler were the same person. Anyway, when Tyler is burning Jack's hand with the Sodium hydroxide, Jack says "I'm going to my cave, I'm gonna find my power animal" or something along those lines. Tyler says "Don't deal with it the way those dead people do!
Jack never tells tyler about the support groups and about their method of meditation. One more little hint : I don't know if he says anything to Tyler about it in the book, however Okay- The tumor fiasco has to stop. If anyone has read any of Chuck Pahlanniuk's books I'm sure many of you have you will notice that he includes urban legends in his story lines. There is an urban legend that a man found out he had a brain tumor and attempted suicide to prevent suffering. He shot himself in the head and was rushed to hospital.
The bullet did not kill him, rather it eradicated the tumor. Urban Legends reoccur through Mr. Pahlaniuk's books, and the tumor in Fight Club is yet another example. I used to have that same shirt that brad pitt wears in the movie. I was in 2nd grade.. This may sound strange but I think the original poster of thread called brad pitt's character tyler banks because he had him confused with carlton banks, a character on fresh prince of bel air.
How can you be both a fan of Fight Club and Fresh Prince? Now that's a real split personality. The penguin in the movie is ed norton's 'power animal'. I'm not sure why it says 'slide', but I think it is to encourage norton's character to slide through life and loosen up. Later in the movie the penguin is replaced by Marla because she is interfering with the support groups. Let me start off by saying that there are certain instances where Norton and Pitt "cross over" eachothers characters.
For example if you look closely, Pitt is driving the car, but after it crashes Norton climbs out of the driver's seat. And as far as Norton being Jack or having no name or being Tyler here is what it is: The articles Norton reads aren't even I am Jack's.
They are I am John's. I'm not sure he even uses the name Jack in that scene. It wasn't Tyler or the Narrator Jack who wrote that article, as some of you have claimed. It was found among stacks of documents and magazines.
We never really learn his character's name; and its not Tyler. Tyler is his split personality, not him. Now Whether or not Jack is his name is still up for debate. I personally think it is, being that "Jack" was the only name he used when he was talking to himself; he didn't use John or Joe.
So why "Jack"? Think about it. I have seen the movie enough to compile my own educated collection of theories and beliefs. The one i would like to discuss is the book with the "I am Jacks" on them. These do not represent the identity of Ed Norton's character, but i believe the represent Fight club and Project mayhem.
You see, "Jack" is Project mayhem, and each person is one of the organs. The organs keep "Jack" alive and strong. You are just a part. But then explain why the Narrator, even when the passenger is always getting out of the driver side of the car. One of the big themes of the film is the downfall of Generation X and the values of nonstop advertising.
To showcase this, director David Fincher had put a Starbucks cup into just about every scene in the movie. While Brad Pitt and Edward Norton were gearing up their roles, they made the conscious decision for Tyler to look chiseled out of granite. Norton had to drop a bunch of weight and muscle to play the humdrum Narrator.
He had just finished filming the drama, American History X; where the actor was as big as a house. The strange tag line was on all of the posters for Fight Club — [Crime]. There are only a handful, if that much, scenes of Pitt and Norton making soap in the movie.
They learned from a California Boutique, Auntie Godmother. Did you know that three of the biggest heart-throbs of the nineties are in Fight Club?
Two of the three are easy to spot. Leonardo DiCaprio is in the movie too. Or at least his frozen breath is. Bob is never seen without his shirt on. Considering he had a chest, according to the Narrator, there was no way the MPAA would have allowed Bob to fight without it.
It would have, however, made for one more twisted joke the movie threw at us. The main character who tells the story of both he and Tyler does not have a name. But despite the name, he is actually never given a name in the film at all, until the climactic third chapter when Marla finally refers to him by his name.
By the end, Tyler leaps at the guy with a bruised face begging to be able to continue using the parking lot. As the Narrator and Tyler enjoy a night of drinks getting to know one another, he and Tyler head outside and Tyler demands that his new friend hits him as hard as he can.
Besides hitting him in the ear, Edward Norton did in fact really lay into Brad Pitt. He told Norton to do exactly what Tyler asked for. For any fan of cinema, including the actors themselves, have such an affinity for Robert DeNiro. When the Narrator is going from support meeting to meeting, he uses a bunch of fake names. She even had a morning talk show that was a mix of the usual morning shows with a twinge of some night time talk shows as well.
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